Corruption, 'Deep Politics', etc.

[luka]

and you have to account for the stability and coherence as well as the instability and incoherence.

 

[thirdform]

Stalin was made to kick and scream by the impersonal cedementation of history to lead russia to capitalism. This is what I mean by the world is not run, because the present is always being swallowed by the past.

 

[luka]

but the point is that it is not quite run properly, however, it runs. goods are manufactured and distributed. fortunes are accumulated. power is won and maintained. threats are identified and ANNHILATED!

to acheive these things there has to be foward planning and coordination. it doesnt happen by chance.

 

[craner]

because the present is always being swallowed by the past.

History is always contemporary.

 

[luka]

can you 2 please stop talking in koans

 

[Clinamenic]

No I don't think that's the reason. It's merely that people are determined to act by economic conditions. Craner is right that human nature cannot be plotted because of it, but human nature is always post-hoc. First you must eat, sleep and mate, then you can think.

I think I'd agree, but the eating/sleeping/mating is already being cybernetically facilitated, presumably by unsupervised learning algorithms in some cases, and I think its only a matter of certain sciences, i.e. neuroscience specifically consciousness studies, becoming more exact, in order to have what we could consider a comprehensively artificial reality.

 

[thirdform]

Anyone who thought Stalins personal communism was at all relevant was a complete buffoon. It's no surprise that the nazis constantly invoked the threat of judeo-bolshevism, because the threat was never the USSR, but their own working class, which had Jews in it, of course. And the inner enemy is always convenient to identify when you are trying to reinvigorate a stagnant economy.

 

[thirdform]

I think I'd agree, but the eating/sleeping/mating is already being cybernetically facilitated, presumably by unsupervised learning algorithms in some cases, and I think its only a matter of certain sciences, i.e. neuroscience specifically consciousness studies, becoming more exact, in order to have what we could consider a comprehensively artificial reality.

Please don't smoke weed stan.

 

[luka]

smoke more weed Stan!

 

[thirdform]

History is always contemporary.

Good boy.

 

[luka]

lets stick to the subject which is Why Luke was right from the start

 

[thirdform]

I think I'd agree, but the eating/sleeping/mating is already being cybernetically facilitated, presumably by unsupervised learning algorithms in some cases, and I think its only a matter of certain sciences, i.e. neuroscience specifically consciousness studies, becoming more exact, in order to have what we could consider a comprehensively artificial reality.

Algorithms are passé. We invented them in the islamic world. It's just rule following, humans can break rules, algorithms cannot, without some form of randomisation. In that sense the older cybernetics as feedback systems make more sense. Unless you can get an algorithm to rewrite itself.

 

[Clinamenic]

Unless you can get an algorithm to rewrite itself.

Thats my understanding of unsupervised machine learning, one that hones and refines itself around a fitness unbeknownst to the human programmer.

But yeah algorithms more generally I'd presume have a much longer history than our electronic deployment of them.

 

[thirdform]

Algorithms and AI in general can only be purely intelligent, not practically intelligent.

 

[WashYourHands]

So, the Jews......

 

[Clinamenic]

Algorithms and AI in general can only be purely intelligent, not practically intelligent.

Yeah I'd agree, at least in their current arrangement, as far as I know.

 

[luka]

Stan get off your hobby horse you monomaniac!

 

[thirdform]

Thats my understanding of unsupervised machine learning, one that hones and refines itself around a fitness unbeknownst to the human programmer.

I doubt it. It is probably absolutely random, which is unintelligent and unpredictable. such things are easy enough to annihilate. Otherwise, all logical processes can be demystified, the question is merely when.

 

[Clinamenic]

Stan get off your hobby horse you monomaniac!

I haven't even started talking about blockchain!

 

[luka]

its all the same thing. its your routine! we need to keep knocking the supports out from under you any time you start going into a routine. thats our duty as a community.