Henri Bergson

[linebaugh]

thats brilliant

 

[HannahB]

I think the Virilio thing at it's most basic is that the split between philosophy and science resulted in us losing sight of how technological developments make us feel, how we perceive them, and so "progress" continued without that in mind, hence the problems with stuff like information overload online.

and yet the atomic bomb is conceptually quantum physics not mechanical time… and the mechanical/ progress idea with its split off spirituality is Christianity- ?

 

[version]

I don't think he's talking about the bomb itself or how it operates. He's talking about the inhumanity of science after the bomb.

 

[Clinamenic]

Yeah the financially hypercharged cutting edge of tech is advancing faster than we can psychologically equilibrate with it, process it, etc.

But as far as I know there isn't any quantum theory involved in the atomic bomb mechanisms, at least what I understand of them. Just thermodynamics on a nuclear scale, presumably not at odds with classical mechanics. Proliferating neutrons that destabilize U238 nuclides, runaway feedback, etc.

 

[version]

I can't remember where I found this, but I posted it in the Deleuze thread a while back and just stumbled across it again;

"For Bergson, the quality of a thing is not separate from its place in time: there is no way to separate them. This includes human subjectivity. Bergson's notion is that by abstracting human qualities we completely miss their actual pragmatic intent and functioning. Time is a component of becoming. Nothing comes into being without time elapsing. The one constant of time elapsing is that it perpetuates continuous change. So an acorn is never a static acorn, it is also, somewhere along its timeline, a sprout, a fully grown tree, a decaying log. So in this sense, an acorn differs-in-itself. It's latent potentiality of becoming, it's radical differentiation from its current form, is already present within it."

 

[HannahB]

I wanted to make a list of modern phenomena/tech that uses the language of speed but I cant think of anything beyond 'instant messaging'

Camera rolling the AC says “speed” from when film had to get to 24fps

 

[HannahB]

Yeah the financially hypercharged cutting edge of tech is advancing faster than we can psychologically equilibrate with it, process it, etc.

But as far as I know there isn't any quantum theory involved in the atomic bomb mechanisms, at least what I understand of them. Just thermodynamics on a nuclear scale, presumably not at odds with classical mechanics. Proliferating neutrons that destabilize U238 nuclides, runaway feedback, etc.

Oh is that true?

 

[HannahB]

The way I currently think of it is like a tank full of fish where the fish are events and you can just grab whichever one you want.

But that’s like digital

 

[version]

@Mr. Tea and @148 I.Q. Magical Thinker seem the people on here most likely to be able to explain how a nuke works.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

The curve of binding energy explains why you can have fission and fusion bombs, that split or combine atoms respectively, converting mass into energy, and why there isn't an iron bomb. Also the title of a great book by John McPhee.

The Curve of Binding Energy/The role of Fusion

www.pas.rochester.edu

I was going to reply earlier to say that nuclear and thermonuclear bombs are not in any way quantum bombs. Chemical explosives are arguably more quantum in nature, involving electrochemical energy release, rather than the unleashing of nuclear forces, though Cherenkov radiation and breaking energies associated with nuclear energy release do manifest via quantum effects.

 

[HannahB]

@Mr. Tea and @148 I.Q. Magical Thinker seem the people on here most likely to be able to explain how a nuke works.

How did it burn the shadows of people onto Hiroshima pavements, what causes that?
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/how-nuclear-weapons-work too late, will read in morning

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

Henri Bergson is taught in Japanese schools. There's a definite Anglo prejudice agains him.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

How did it burn the shadows of people onto Hiroshima pavements, what causes that?
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/how-nuclear-weapons-work too late, will read in morning

the person blocked the flash at its most intense, so it's more a case of the surrounding surface being bleached or scoured more intensely, for a moment, than where the poor guy was sitting.

 

[WashYourHands]

I can't remember where I found this, but I posted it in the Deleuze thread a while back and just stumbled across it again;

"For Bergson, the quality of a thing is not separate from its place in time: there is no way to separate them. This includes human subjectivity. Bergson's notion is that by abstracting human qualities we completely miss their actual pragmatic intent and functioning. Time is a component of becoming. Nothing comes into being without time elapsing. The one constant of time elapsing is that it perpetuates continuous change. So an acorn is never a static acorn, it is also, somewhere along its timeline, a sprout, a fully grown tree, a decaying log. So in this sense, an acorn differs-in-itself. It's latent potentiality of becoming, it's radical differentiation from its current form, is already present within it."

Time and consciousness as emergent. If an an acorn falls from the tree and no-one is around to see it grow, will it change form etc

Archaeology has the odd good read on temporality when you get an advancement in dating systems. Alasdair Whittle has written on cyclical and linear temporal frameworks of a continuous cosmos worldview in the deep past and how enculturation of time shapes interpretation, then and now. Sites not just as calendars but mnemonic markers within converging planes of existence

Lee Smolin says you can have time without space. Far out

stoned thoughts

Has it flowered? You could leave until Nov 5th, they are hardy cunts, but if you have to move due to curtain twitchers and have a decent flower distribution, hack it. Trim all the shade leaves off asap, tie a bit of string in a room you use the least and hang the buds from stalk overhangs for...

www.dissensus.com

 

[HannahB]

The curve of binding energy explains why you can have fission and fusion bombs, that split or combine atoms respectively, converting mass into energy, and why there isn't an iron bomb. Also the title of a great book by John McPhee.

The Curve of Binding Energy/The role of Fusion

www.pas.rochester.edu

I was going to reply earlier to say that nuclear and thermonuclear bombs are not in any way quantum bombs. Chemical explosives are arguably more quantum in nature, involving electrochemical energy release, rather than the unleashing of nuclear forces, though Cherenkov radiation and breaking energies associated with nuclear energy release do manifest via quantum effects.

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Thanks - in which case if atom nuclei are involved here as described and this is not quantum, then what does quantum mean ?

 

[WashYourHands]

The hunt is on for the most detailed histories of people in the remote past that we can achieve. We can now routinely, through Bayesian modelling of radiocarbon dates, construct much more precise chronologies than previously, down to the scales of lifetimes and generations, and even on occasion of decades. Better timing opens estimates of duration and the evaluation of the tempo of change. Rather than the conventional default perspective of generally slow change and much continuity, in blocks of time a couple of centuries long or more, we can now examine sequences that are often much more dynamic, quicker-changing, and from time to time more interrupted and punctuated than we had previously imagined. We can now write much more precise and ambitious narratives about the actions, decisions and choices of past people; the pre- can and should come out of prehistory. Despite the absence of written records, such narratives can be aligned much more closely with those of history and its concerns with the specific and the particular, and can serve to rid archaeology of its addictions to generalisation and fuzzy chronology.

Coming out of a recent major project funded by the European Research Council, and with the experience of Gathering Time (Oxbow Books 2011) also behind it, The Times of their Lives sets out this case. It considers the varying timescales of archaeology, history and anthropology, and the construction of precise chronologies. It examines the reach of precision in a series of case studies across Neolithic Europe to do with big themes of settlement, monumentality and materiality through the sixth to third millennia cal BC. It goes on to consider the implications of much more precise chronologies for narratives of social differentiation and change through the Neolithic sequence, and reflects on how to combine the varying timescales presented by turning points in the long term, by the slow time of daily life, subsistence practices and population growth, and by lifetime and generational developments. It ends by looking ahead to a future archaeology, exploiting the best of archaeological science, which can write precise and detailed narratives for the people of early history.

 

[HannahB]

the person blocked the flash at its most intense, so it's more a case of the surrounding surface being bleached or scoured more intensely, for a moment, than where the poor guy was sitting.

So in fact no shadow was burnt, instead the rest was exposed like a film photo? (And the person was the matte?)

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

Thanks - in which case if atom nuclei are involved here as described and this is not quantum, then what does quantum mean ?

The very simplest way to think about it is the electrons that surround the atom switch back and forth between energy levels, releasing and absorbing energy of different wavelengths, according to strict rules and amounts of energy (quanta).

 

[WashYourHands]

I It's latent potentiality of becoming, it's radical differentiation from its current form, is already present within it."

the child the father of the man

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

So in fact no shadow was burnt, instead the rest was exposed like a film photo? (And the person was the matte?)

Yes, exactly. It is a kind of shadow, but also a stain.