The Coming Authoritarianism.

[Mr. Tea]

Load of bollocks.
Handing out boosters to the selfish worried well is putting the most strain on the system right now.

You're lost, mate.

Ahh, the official party line of the Flat Earth Society is wheeled out yet again.

 

[Mr. Tea]

this 'thinking' is exactly what makes you so uniquely mush-brained

What in fact is happening is that you're quite mind-bogglingly reactionary but think that wanting to have Corbyn's bum-babies qualifies you as a cuddly adorable socialist.

 

[luka]

what on earth does reactionary mean in this context?

 

[luka]

@yyaldrin, if you're going to persist in this bizarre argument that the anti-vaxx movement is in any way progressive or humanitarian,

the argument he is actually making is the one put forward here

http://taeyoonchoi.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/deleuze_control.pdf

 

[wild greens]

Being against "vaccine" passports isnt the same as being anti-vax

 

[Clinamenic]

what on earth does reactionary mean in this context?

Could mean a number of things, but generically it means anyone who wants the status quo to revert back to some prior stage. A cultural reactionary is one who opines for a social status quo that is less influenced by social justice concerns, whereas a technological reactionary (luddite) is someone who thinks technology will only keep making society worse.

So it seems many of the cultural reactionaries (Trumpism) also happen to be against vaccinations and/or vaccination-related mandates.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I'm not even in favour of vaccine passports per se, I'm just looking at the absolute fucking state, both intellectually and ideologically, of the people who are most stridently against them.

I am, obviously, in favour of vaccines per se, because I can distinguish between a legitimate progressive position and bullshit peddled by right-wing cunts to ignorant dupes.

 

[luka]

I'm not even in favour of vaccine passports per se, I'm just looking at the absolute fucking state, both intellectually and ideologically, of the people who are most stridently against them.

this is not the way to form a position though is it, this is why you are uniquely mush-brained

 

[Mr. Tea]

Could mean a number of things, but generically it means anyone who wants the status quo to revert back to some prior stage. A cultural reactionary is one who opines for a social status quo that is less influenced by social justice concerns, whereas a technological reactionary (luddite) is someone who thinks technology will only keep making society worse.

So it seems many of the cultural reactionaries (Trumpism) also happen to be against vaccinations and/or vaccination-related mandates.

A big part of it is a general fear and hatred of science, but that doesn't work as an argument for @luka because his ignorance is a positive point of pride.

 

[thirdform]

vaccination mandates are impossible to implement in most third world countries. Releasing patents for tech don't suddenly build temp sensative transportation. We also have to speak about delivery structures. Something the liberals on here don't want to address as they delight in the pseudo-spectacle of the pro/anti-vax culture war.

 

[luka]

this is what yyaldrin was talking about

The conception of a control mechanism, giving the position of any element within an open environment at any given instant (whether animal in a reserve or human in a corporation, as with an electronic collar), is not necessarily one of science fiction. Felix Guattari has imagined a city where one would be able to leave one’s apartment, one’s street, one’s neighborhood, thanks to one’s (dividual) electronic card that raises a given barrier; but the card could just as easily be rejected on a given day or between certain hours; what counts is not the barrier but the computer that tracks each person’s position—licit or illicit—and effects a universal modulation.

 

[WashYourHands]

death to Computers!

 

[thirdform]

death to Computers!

Nah, computers are useful for a planned economy. But linux should be sufficient, really.

 

[yyaldrin]

@yyaldrin, if you're going to persist in this bizarre argument that the anti-vaxx movement is in any way progressive or humanitarian, can you explain why it's now virtually an official ideology of the Republican party? Does that seem like an organization that cares about the poor and the sick?

Or that it puts you on the same side as a Trump-worshipping wannabe tech bro and a literal eugenicist?

i never said that the anti-vaxx movements as we know them right now are progressive or humanitarian, i think they haven taken very dangerious, fascist forms in some countries, such as austria and germany. but i blame this on the absence of a left, anti-authoritarian answer on the pandemic and its societal consequences. when the yellow vests first emerged in france it was a very heterogenious movement, filled with right-wing hooligan groups, it took weeks before it managed to get rid of those elements. this time, the right won, and i think it did in part because of the way people who are critical towards vaccinations or towards the covid passports are not being take serious. they are LuNaTiCs and SeLfiSh.

 

[Clinamenic]

death to Computers!

I actually suspect this will become a movement eventually, if it hasn't already. Radical luddism. Destroying parts of the IoT or even parts of the internet more abstractly.

 

[thirdform]

I'm not even in favour of vaccine passports per se, I'm just looking at the absolute fucking state, both intellectually and ideologically, of the people who are most stridently against them.

I am, obviously, in favour of vaccines per se, because I can distinguish between a legitimate progressive position and bullshit peddled by right-wing cunts to ignorant dupes.

Well, the legitimate progressive position is we do not have sufficient evidence to call the shots of the booster re: neutralisation of omicron variant, either way, but initial results seem to indicate that antibody immunity induced by the phizer vaccine is escaped.

But it's hardly as if you don't take pride in ignorance, you just rotate it from the political to the scientific realm.

 

[luka]

i never said that the anti-vaxx movements as we know them right now are progressive or humanitarian, i think they haven taken very dangerious, fascist forms in some countries, such as austria and germany. but i blame this on the absence of a left, anti-authoritarian answer on the pandemic and its societal consequences. when the yellow vests first emerged in france it was a very heterogenious movement, filled with right-wing hooligan groups, it took weeks before it managed to get rid of those elements. this time, the right won, and i think it did in part because of the way people who are critical towards vaccinations or towards the covid passports are not being take serious. they are LuNaTiCs and SeLfiSh.

Mr Tea, castrated!

 

[luka]

hes literally just snipped off Tea's ballsack right in front of us! then dangled the balls in front of him like a gruesome trophy!

 

[woops]

Well, the legitimate progressive position is we do not have sufficient evidence to call the shots of the booster re: neutralisation of omicron variant, either way, but initial results seem to indicate that antibody immunity induced by the phizer vaccine is escaped.

But it's hardly as if you don't take pride in ignorance, you just rotate it from the political to the scientific realm.

BUT!

 

[luka]