The Coming Authoritarianism.

[luka]

I think people who came of age in the 90s / 2000s are actually crippled in our response to this stuff

i dont agree i think it gives us an advantage you just have to avoid the scylla and charybdis represented by biscuits and mr tea

 

[Slothrop]

Now get equally worked up about undiagnosed cancer sufferers, people waking up with myocarditis, people topping themselves, wrecked education and businesses, a looming breakdown of supply chains, and unequalled redistribution of wealth the wrong way.

Yeah, okay, I am also worked up about people dying of cancer etc because the entire health service has had to pivot to looking after people who think they're too fucking clever to get vaccinated until they end up coughing their lungs up in an ICU.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Yeah, okay, I am also worked up about people dying of cancer etc because the entire health service has had to pivot to looking after people who think they're too fucking clever to get vaccinated until they end up coughing their lungs up in an ICU.

Bear in mind that proven treatments are out there but blocked.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Funnily enough the number of deaths that the modellers think we're due in the absence of rewrecking the country - 75,000 - is not anomalous for a flu; there's nothing stopping them porting this approach over to that familiar but poorly understood and slippery disease and having measures forever.

 

[Mr. Tea]

do you not worry even a tiny bit about 'the coming authoritarianism' to coin a phrase?

I worry about it less than this vast wave of ultra-reactionary populism that you and various others here have got swept up in, to be honest.

 

[luka]

I worry about it less than this vast wave of ultra-reactionary populism that you and various others here have got swept up in, to be honest.

explain what i have got swept up in please? also define populism.

 

[Mr. Tea]

not to speak for @Mr. Tea - wait, actually, to speak for @Mr. Tea in fact - he seems to think the authoritarianism is (a) inevitable (b) already upon us (c) not that bad and better than everyone dying of diseases

If it's already here and nobody is doing anything meaningful about it, then whether it's good or bad is beside the point.

Consider the common argument that vaccine passports are just an excuse for the government to track our whereabouts. (The extreme version of this includes tiny RFID microchips, of course.) Now what percentage of people who believe that own a mobile phone? Like, nearly all of them? And in most cases a smartphone, very probably with at least one social media app on it? If you think the government can't track you already, if it chooses to, then I've got a lovely bridge to sell you at a very reasonable rate.

It's this unthinking and extremely selective paranoia, which ironically contains a great deal of naivety baked into it, that winds me up.

 

[Mr. Tea]

explain what i have got swept up in please? also define populism.

I'm not going to play this coy game, and obviously you can use Wikipedia the same as anyone else.

 

[WashYourHands]

do you not worry even a tiny bit about 'the coming authoritarianism' to coin a phrase?

The Empire never ended, but it is morphing. There’s a huge difference between worry and “land war in Asia”, which is what @148 I.Q. Magical Thinker wants, the quickest route to collapse than any

Yeah, okay, I am also worked up about people dying of cancer etc because the entire health service has had to pivot to looking after people who think they're too fucking clever to get vaccinated until they end up coughing their lungs up in an ICU.

The lines between vigilance, hyper-vigilance, paranoia, delusions, hallucinations and psychosis are marginal within each of us. Slippy paths that stronger humans than you, I and HmmGuv have been undone by. There’s no magic wand. Have old friends who work frontline in A&E and the joke is old too now, don’t know how they do it

Debate is idiot distraction as Loogi Baroogi would be the first to admit, learned helplessness etc etc etc

 

[Mr. Tea]

for me the covid passport is just another passport that serves as an instrument to exclude people and it will exactly be the poor, the sick, the disabled, the non-white people, the activists and the outcasts that will suffer under such an instrument.

That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. They're the very people who stand to gain the most by a high vaccination uptake.

 

[luka]

its always breathtaking when Tea reveals just how mush-brained he really is

 

[luka]

'populism' is that it is a word without a definition. it is used to smear any leader or movement that the technocrat pointy-heads deem to be a threat, whether that is living saint-messiah jeremy corbyn or used car salesman donald trump. and that deliberate misreading of yyaldrin is beneath even you

 

[Mr. Tea]

'populism' is that it is a word without a definition. it is used to smear any leader or movement that the technocrat pointy-heads deem to be a threat, whether that is living saint-messiah jeremy corbyn or used car salesman donald trump. and that deliberate misreading of yyaldrin is beneath even you

Yes, that's right, Donald Trump, who was not in any way supported by any faction of either the establishment or the tech world.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

Yeah, okay, I am also worked up about people dying of cancer etc because the entire health service has had to pivot to looking after people who think they're too fucking clever to get vaccinated until they end up coughing their lungs up in an ICU.

Load of bollocks.
Handing out boosters to the selfish worried well is putting the most strain on the system right now.

You're lost, mate.

 

[luka]

Yes, that's right, Donald Trump, who was not in any way supported by any faction of either the establishment or the tech world.

trump wasnt called a 'populist'?

 

[Mr. Tea]

trump wasnt called a 'populist'?

Yes, he was called one, because he is one. By the actual definition of the word, not by your moronic undefinition give above:

"it is used to smear any leader or movement that the technocrat pointy-heads deem to be a threat"

 

[luka]

well i think you are a subhuman who should be castrated so im not going to pursue this

 

[Mr. Tea]

@yyaldrin, if you're going to persist in this bizarre argument that the anti-vaxx movement is in any way progressive or humanitarian, can you explain why it's now virtually an official ideology of the Republican party? Does that seem like an organization that cares about the poor and the sick?

Or that it puts you on the same side as a Trump-worshipping wannabe tech bro and a literal eugenicist?

 

[luka]

i think you should be castrated and made to wear your severed ballsack around your neck

 

[luka]

@yyaldrin, if you're going to persist in this bizarre argument that the anti-vaxx movement is in any way progressive or humanitarian, can you explain why it's now virtually an official ideology of the Republican party? Does that seem like an organization that cares about the poor and the sick?

Or that it puts you on the same side as a Trump-worshipping wannabe tech bro and a literal eugenicist?

this 'thinking' is exactly what makes you so uniquely mush-brained