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padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
there's a few things
but first - if you don't have the stomach to stick by it, probably don't say it
it ain't like no one from here is gonna doxx you, it ain't that kind of place
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
if you change your mind, you can always say so
parting of speaking (or writing) words is the courage to stand by them, or to explain why your position changed
but, do as you prefer
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
not the cultural right tho, I have to think
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
but on to "a few things"
1) the issue has never has been limited to disproportionate killing of unarmed people of color, or black people specifically
police killings are sensational, and they galvanize response like nothing else
but they're only the sharp tip of a criminal justice system stacked against people of color and the poor at every level
2) American police have a long, vicious history of open racism, above and beyond the general racism of society
which ended only recently, easily within living memory. cops here in Chicago were torturing false confessions out of black people in the 80s.
if Americans of color - and white Americans - don't trust police not to be racist, they have only their predecessors to thank
3) don't conflate police brutality with racism. police brutality is an issue with or without racism.
cops kill and injure way too many people in this country, period
4) I'm not going to say every activist everywhere has always been responsible, but let's not pretend this is a one-sided issue
I'll see your BLM and raise you Blue Lives Matter, Fox News, antifa hysteria, assholes in tactical gear and of course, Trump etc
1) the issue has never has been limited to disproportionate killing of unarmed people of color, or black people specifically
police killings are sensational, and they galvanize response like nothing else
but they're only the sharp tip of a criminal justice system stacked against people of color and the poor at every level
2) American police have a long, vicious history of open racism, above and beyond the general racism of society
which ended only recently, easily within living memory. cops here in Chicago were torturing false confessions out of black people in the 80s.
if Americans of color - and white Americans - don't trust police not to be racist, they have only their predecessors to thank
3) don't conflate police brutality with racism. police brutality is an issue with or without racism.
cops kill and injure way too many people in this country, period
4) I'm not going to say every activist everywhere has always been responsible, but let's not pretend this is a one-sided issue
I'll see your BLM and raise you Blue Lives Matter, Fox News, antifa hysteria, assholes in tactical gear and of course, Trump etc
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
this "do as much bad as good" line is wrong, I think - not borne out by history
you could have said the same thing about the civil rights movement, especially its more militant end
that's to say no harm is done in the pursuit of good - social relations are messy and imperfect
the BLM etc narrative, it's admittedly not entirely rational
but it's almost impossible to have an entirely rational narrative in anything related to race America
that great historical weight pressing in behind, that depth of toxicity
asking for this of all things to be the exception is asking to be disappointed
you could have said the same thing about the civil rights movement, especially its more militant end
that's to say no harm is done in the pursuit of good - social relations are messy and imperfect
the BLM etc narrative, it's admittedly not entirely rational
but it's almost impossible to have an entirely rational narrative in anything related to race America
that great historical weight pressing in behind, that depth of toxicity
asking for this of all things to be the exception is asking to be disappointed
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
more immediately, I haven't followed this case as closely as others, but I wouldn't bet on their acquittal just yet
the motherfucker that shot Laquan McDonald was convicted of 2nd-degree murder. his sentencing (7 years) was a joke, but he was convicted.
the motherfucker that shot Laquan McDonald was convicted of 2nd-degree murder. his sentencing (7 years) was a joke, but he was convicted.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
this is simply untrue btw. directly refuted by the last 15 years or so of global history, if nothing else.
luka
Well-known member
I'm certainly of the opinion that you have the courage of your convictions, say what you think and stand by it. I do find the coyness of the right interesting though. I'd like to understand it. Whether it is that they genuinely feel like dissidents and fear for their safety if exposed, or if it's not comprised of at least some degree of shame and guilt.
sus
Moderator
Yeah I'm pretty sure that's not how speech in our culture works. Mayyybe you slide if you go full-blown repentance. People get cancelled for 5-year-old tweets, let's not pretend they don't.
sus
Moderator
See, every position you put out here I say "yes! and..." to.
The and is, "I know a load of young people, I follow hundreds on social media, they're bright graduates of very good universities, and no, their positions are nothing like yours here, I wish they were"