'Postmodernism' as Existential Threat.

[padraig (u.s.)]

would Baudrillaud have delivered such a searing critique of the power relations of Faerun?

case closed

 

[vimothy]

some right wingers would agree with foucault that the good is context dependent and not universal

 

[Mr. Tea]

Foucault 100%

I posted this in another thread like two days ago but it's equally relevant hereView attachment 4600

I can't really not post this, then:

 

[craner]

some right wingers would agree with foucault that the good is context dependent and not universal

The Mooch is loose.

 

[Mr. Tea]

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

some right wingers would agree with foucault that the good is context dependent and not universal

do you that's to his discredit?

 

[Mr. Tea]

 

[vimothy]

this is basis of isaiah berlin's (liberal) critique of the "counter-enlightenment"

 

[vimothy]

“Now, there is no such thing as ‘man’ in this world. In my life I have seen Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, and so on. I even know, thanks to Montesquieu, that one can be Persian. But as for man, I declare I’ve never encountered him.”

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

I can't really not post this, then

Chomsky and Fanon are right about the elves

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

this is basis of isaiah berlin's (liberal) critique of the "counter-enlightenment"

I knew who he was but I've never read him

do you personally think it's a problem to share a belief with people whose politics you oppose that the good is context dependent?

 

[vimothy]

berlin believes in the idea of a universal truth. he thinks it's a key enlightenment presumption

 

[constant escape]

Thats an interesting point, an interest grounds of alignment. To reciprocally acknowledge that each other's ethics is relative. But how stable/tenable can that be, as a political arrangement, short of a group of enlightened beings?

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

berlin believes in the idea of a universal truth

yes, I don't (outside narrower sense of mathematical or natural laws as Tea mentioned)

that's very much on the order of Plato etc

the burden of proof is on the universalist, I think

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

how stable/tenable can that be, as a political arrangement, short of a group of enlightened beings?

it seems to work well enough in practice, at least as well as believing ethics are dictated by God(s)

it's not like people who believe in universal truth or good actually stick to that belief in practice

 

[vimothy]

the way berlin introduces it is via a discussion of machiavelli - suppose there are public and private truths, i.e., suppose there are things you might do from the POV of a public figure that are completely untenable from the POV of a private individual, like butchering political enemies

 

[vimothy]

in other words, can you countenance a gap between a public and a private morality

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

in other words, can you countenance a gap between a public and a private morality

does he have anything to say in re people who profess belief in a universal morality very frequently do exactly that in practice?

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

or apply their universal morality in such a way as suits their needs

 

[vimothy]

not in his book on counter-enlightenment thinkers