A Brooklyn Culture Mafia

[luka]

I have almo$t no intere$t in

Like having a good laugh down the pub, not interested?

thi$ i$ a briti$h myth, it never happen$. it$ ju$t a collective de$cent into $ordid $elf-aba$ement

 

[luka]

a Degradation Ceremony.

 

[version]

I don't really have a consistent position on this stuff. Sometimes I'd rather be out socialising, but I do generally find things disappointing. Everything's just that bit more mundane than you imagine. I remember feeling that way at my first gig. This sense of "It's just a normal room with some music gear set up at one end".

 

[catalog]

I have almo$t no intere$t in


thi$ i$ a briti$h myth, it never happen$. it$ ju$t a collective de$cent into $ordid $elf-aba$ement

Dissensus on a good night to me reminds me most of going out for a few beers when at school or uni, those times. Bants. Bus ride to school.

 

[version]

Ulysses is a book where I do actually care about the characters. Bloom is a great character. My lack of interest in characters may be precisely because I tend to read books where they aren't the focus. If you read Ballard or whoever all the time then you aren't gonna develop a taste for character-driven writing unless you just get fed up and decide to go for something drastically different.

 

[IdleRich]

Ive thought about mentioning the recognitions several times in here, this whole thread screams it. Though not sure what you mean by the power to reject

The Recognitions is a complex book and it's not always easy to tell what he's thinking or what a particular bit means. One thing I would say with confidence though is that he really fucking hates NY scenesters.

 

[yyaldrin]

I do enjoy that sort of thing, but only if I'm drinking. And I just find the constant failure of communication really draining. All feels a bit futile.

i have this too. i quit drinking for some weeks now and i haven't even bothered seeing friends in my free time.

 

[version]

i have this too. i quit drinking for some weeks now and i haven't even bothered seeing friends in my free time.

It's something I feel guilty about, but then I'd also feel guilty pretending to be having a good time, going through the motions. maybe Luka's right about friendships being based on mutual bad habits.

 

[catalog]

Is there a connection between the depression sessions and the NY scenesters? I think there might be...

 

[IdleRich]

Don't taint bolano by associating him with these neverhasbeens please spen. Although I do sort of see your point. Bolano gets away with it cos not English or American

Well Savage Detectives is kinda about a fake literary scene isn't it?

 

[catalog]

Yeah that's why I said I do see his point but they were revolutionary playacting not fashion and whatever else, there was an edge cos of the very real political situation going on around them.

Whereas the very real political situation round these NY people is basically making them naval gaze some more.

But I sort of do get it yes. Well done spenry.

Im not quite damascene yet tho.

 

[constant escape]

Appreciate the scouting here @suspendedreason cause these are the types of humans who would be of interest to recruit, if/when that day comes. A cadre of mediating scenesters, to interface with the wider bourgeois milieus. Arguably the whole arrangement ought to be transparent. They ought to read all these posts in full candidacy candidness.

Part of the reason I think it is worthwhile to illuminate the cryptomarxist thread underpinning the project, to toss down the rope to those who cling to the walls of the chasm. Systematize their sky, and they have nowhere to reach but for your hand.

 

[constant escape]

It frankly won't be difficult to foreground the glamour of it all.

 

[beiser]

had an ex who was very into wollen. came to believe there was something pathological, even violent about the whole shtick—it valorizes, of course, a kind of bad-faith weaponization of one’s negative emotions. same one who kept making websites about the relationship after it ended.

 

[catalog]

Starbeet this is sounding a little sinister tbf

 

[constant escape]

The tone is superfluous, protean, plastic. If sinister is chic, then sinister it is.

 

[constant escape]

That is the beauty of pluripotency - it can bend any which way without lying.

 

[linebaugh]

it valorizes, of course, a kind of bad-faith weaponization of one’s negative emotions.

do you think this is this a uniquely millennial phenomenon?

 

[version]

I had a trawl through these people's Twitter accounts and anyone else's that happened to pop up and it further cemented my aversion to Twitter. They seem to be in a constant game of one-upmanship with anyone else occupying the same territory. If they've read the same books or hold the same views then somehow the other person has read them wrong or they're "still reading those guys" and they don't like them anymore. I get the same feeling from their discussion of the Dems and flirting with Trump. More contrarianism and wanting to be on the outside to some degree than any sort of concrete ideology.

 

[beiser]

the “girls own the void” meme is a classic though of course