Emasculation of the Western Man

The internet might have accelerated something that was already happening,

The economic factors that @john eden described alienate young men, The Internet!!! is an accelerant, a catalyst of those processes, But it also offers a home where the misery finds company, festers and yields some strange stuff. All of a sudden the worlds resentful rejects, the most insecure and aggrieved have a safe space to vent, bond, build myths. @craner is right to say its about incels, they are the most potent energy source and most lucrative audience to sell this stuff to. The hierarchy stuff is darkly seductive to these young fellas, and of course the element of truth is in there. They theories become all the more grandiose, distorted, tolkien-like because these people dont actually socialise.
 
it is funny to point out that how far their idols are from their own masculine ideal.. so incestual / virgin nietzche, the whol red blue pill and the matrix metaphor was created by a trans woman and her brother, marcus aurelius was gay, its such a mad patchwork. And I thin it finds a mirror in a lot of the cod psychology of dating we see, instagram feminism, where everything is pathologised… gaslighting and ghosting. Bogeymen and villains are constructed (the fuckboy, the soft boy etc…) as a way to avoid personal rejection, its never your fault you havent got what you wanted in sex or romance.. Its them! any political, philosophical, pop cultural tool will be deployed to avoid or rationalise the rejection.

Through this kind of petty pop psychology its then externalised, universalised and you can either wallow together, start a podcast about it, or in the case of blackpilling theres a kind of dark ‘radical self acceptance’ where you acknowledge you’re ‘genetic trash’ any maybe shoot up a school
 

luka

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ive got cuban cigars s0mewhere in the house but im pissed so i cant fucking find them and its driving me metal
 
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luka

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it always feels like there is a cosmic element to the witholding in these cases. a higher order asserting itself. like im not allowed my cuban cigars for some reason.
 

catalog

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The conflict of masculinity brought on by the internet age is that once the common life has de facto shifted onto the internet, it is harder for the masculine to be noticed and appraised "casually". He finds that he now has to log on to be noticed, which subverts the masculine ideal of being independent of others appraisal. You have to make that confession and I think it put things slightly but painfully askew for the masculine ideal.
OK I think I sort of know what you might be getting at now, but maybe not...

I was listening to a Terence mckenna lecture.

He was talking about hunter-gatherer groups, men hunting required values like stealth, silence, strength.

Whereas women doing gathering needed to talk all the time, to share knowledge of eg which plants were good for what.

And these values became coded as masculine vs feminine.

So yes I suppose in that sense the Internet as text-based medium still primarily, revolving particularly around proclamations, confessions, sharing in the way social media encourages, could be seen as feminine.

What's funny is that the survivalist in the woods still has to log on and get their youtube views up, in order to generate some income.
 
Tbh sometimes I feel that men act, women communicate thing is overplayed and a little reductive, and I don’t know if emoting and communicating feelings is even useful to deem feminine … look at the lit and musical canon.

But I’m thinking about the big fish small pond factor. And something I go on about a lot, the exposure to massive audiences .. and with that comes a massively broadened playing field and hugely intensified competition
 

linebaugh

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it always feels like there is a cosmic element to the witholding in these cases. a higher order asserting itself. like im not allowed my cuban cigars for some reason.
I feel this deeply. I probably lose things more often than anyone on this board. I feel I carry a spiritual burden not unlike Job.
 
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linebaugh

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its an awful joke played by a cruel god that one has to constantly have on their person at all times at least 3 different tiny items or they are functionally not a real person. its like chinese water torture. death by a thousand paper cuts.
 

linebaugh

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I recently lost the keys to the house right off the key ring. I wasnt messing with them either. I reach into my pocket to open the door and the keys had somehow found their way off the contraption that it would take 5 minutes of toiling to undo if I was being intentional about it. divine intervention.
 
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Mr. Tea

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I was listening to a Terence mckenna lecture.

He was talking about hunter-gatherer groups, men hunting required values like stealth, silence, strength.

Whereas women doing gathering needed to talk all the time, to share knowledge of eg which plants were good for what.

And these values became coded as masculine vs feminine.

Possibly, but I expect subsistence hunters usually go out in small groups, so language would be vital for coordinating their strategy beforehand, even if they rely on hand gestures when they're actually stalking prey up close. Which in itself illustrates the risk of appealing to this kind of folk-anthropology reasoning to explain modern behaviour. (Then again, I'm sure even academic anthropologists, psychologists etc. run into the same problem all the time.)
 

Mr. Tea

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I feel this deeply. I probably lose things more often than anyone on this board. I feel I carry a spiritual burden not unlike Job.
Do you ever find yourself looking for things that are in your pocket at the time, or in extreme cases, actually in your hand? If so, you may be my spiritual brother.

I can put something down and be looking for it five seconds later. It's virtually a disability.
 

linebaugh

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Do you ever find yourself looking for things that are in your pocket at the time, or in extreme cases, actually in your hand? If so, you may be my spiritual brother.

I can put something down and be looking for it five seconds later. It's virtually a disability.
absolutely
 
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