Good Discussions

[luka]

my policy is no gimmicks. when that science boy was hanging out at the river he kept coming up with 'ideas' like fortune telling and i had to patiently explain that i have distilled the game down to its essentials, the actual magic of the encounter, which is human contact, connection.

 

[luka]

i will make you feel listened to, understood. i will aestheticise and dramatise and ennoble your inchoate emotions. you will go away feeling better.

 

[luka]

one funny thing about recent years is the best conversations have been around music we dont like

 

[IdleRich]

I feel like I often respond with annoyingly optimistic and contrary posts, but it seems that I've had lots of good conversations lately IRL at least. Most likely cos I moved to a place where I didn't know anyone and so I had to talk to loads of people just to not be a friendless shut-in.

So loads of small talk with loads of new people, all different ages etc and like Luka just said smalltalk is a prerequisite for big talk. Perhaps more so than people realise... those superior types who tell you how much they despise small talk are shooting themselves in the foot. Hah! Cunts.

 

[luka]

i suppose we could all agree to take Ecstasy at the same time then get online and tell each other how much we love one another

 

[version]

You can talk too much and wind up having the same conversations over and over too, like when Luke talks about people's "hobby horses".

 

[luka]

You can talk too much and wind up having the same conversations over and over too, like when Luke talks about people's "hobby horses".

biscuits is very familar with his hobby horse!

 

[DannyL]

One of the strangest aspects of spending a lot of time alone, imo, is the loss of voice. You end up being reduced to making the odd noise if you hurt yourself or see a bit of skill watching football or something, but, unless you're one of those people who talk to themselves, you more or less spend your days in silence.

This is true in post Covid education. They're now frequently so quiet. The phone has replaced shouting for each other down the corridor.

Interesting thread for me to reflect on given my other profession (and WashYourHands as well which is basically about having guided meaningful conversation within certain parameters. I guess it means I'm not worried about my conversational skills atrophying, though there's less raw life experience to distill into anecdote and gags these days.

 

[IdleRich]

one funny thing about recent years is the best conversations have been around music we dont like

Is that strange? People have always enjoyed a really brutal, savage kicking more than a good review haven't they? Be it music, restaurant or celebrity hairdo. It's just an extension of that surely.

 

[luka]

Is that strange? People have always enjoyed a really brutal, savage kicking more than a good review haven't they? Be it music, restaurant or celebrity hairdo. It's just an extension of that surely.

well what you are talking about is good fun, but what i mean is actually intelligent conversation centred around the object of scorn. perceptive, sparkling!

 

[shiels]

i suppose we could all agree to take Ecstasy at the same time then get online and tell each other how much we love one another

We have an 8 point plan.

 

[luka]

This is true in post Covid education. They're now frequently so quiet. The phone has replaced shouting for each other down the corridor.

Interesting thread for me to reflect on given my other profession (and WashYourHands as well which is basically about having guided meaningful conversation within certain parameters. I guess it means I'm not worried about my conversational skills atrophying, though there's less raw life experience to distill into anecdote and gags these days.

except your job, as i remember it, is to refrain from talking!

 

[IdleRich]

When Luke talks about people's "hobby horses".

Always always going on about that ain't he?

 

[luka]

the same thread from a more fractious time

Substantive Discussion. What It Is & How To Get It.

sadmanbarty's Avatar sadmanbarty sadmanbarty is offline Beast of Burden Join Date Dec 2014 Location London Posts 3,242 Default I’ve had months of disillusionment and frustration with dissensus’ inability to engage in substantive discussion. Maybe this whole time everyone’s just viewed me like...

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[shiels]

So is tr broadly agreed that many of the benefits of good conversation are being filled in by technology and algorithm, exploration, finding your way, gossip and news

 

[luka]

So is tr broadly agreed that many of the benefits of good conversation are being filled in by technology and algorithm, exploration, finding your way, gossip and news

i always feel uncomfortable when you reach for these off-the-shelf explanations. it makes me want to demur.

 

[luka]

this to me, is the epitome of what we don't want

Ooh, watch out Dissensus indy-rock haters!

Did anyone see this toss in the Guardian yesterday? http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/comment/story/0,,1704890,00.html Choice quote: "Now it's our turn to give a smug "up yours" to the punk generation et al. The Arctic Monkeys signal the triumph of a new wave that is going to be remembered as...

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[woops]

i read a tonne of that htread yesterday too as it goes, boring as fuck

 

[woops]

anyone who complains or proposes 50-word lower limits should see what happens whenever an old thread is revived

 

[linebaugh]

I didnt mean this in reference to dissensus. I think we do have good discussions here just not all the time but that would be a silly thing to try and force to begin with.