Fascism!
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Mr. Tea
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No it doesn't, and if it did I would be surprised if Vimothy and Mr Tea were its idealogues...
I'd like to point out that I am by no means a cheerleader for the untrammelled free market or deified consumerism (though of course I can't speak for vimothy
) - I'm just unafraid to call a genocidal dictatorship a genocidal dictatorship. And I'm not saying all communist regimes are as bad as each other - that would be ludicrous - and I'm not saying fascism is by any means preferable. But still, the bad ones were really Bad.geez.. come on! that wasnt my point.. this is like a cruel joke! i feel like my brother has overtaken your computer just to fuck with me a little bit.
fascism is for a restitution towards the AUTHENTIC non-corrupt Man. family, blood, race, nation.. patriarchy...
communism is for a perpetual negation towards AFFIRMATION and CREATION. a communist subject is "beyond classes, beyond state." "he emerges from the destruction of historical antagonisms."
these are valid definitions of communist v fascist subjectivity..
State Socialism (Yugoslavia) failed (yes) because it was not in fidelity to the Truth of the Communist hypothesis (this is very very complex, and i would LOVE to construct this thoroughly, but im afraid i cant here, its just too much! nor am i qualified, nor can i do a more thorough analysis than what is already there (Badiou)), is Badious claim. and mine too i suppose.
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didnt i already say this?!
of course he does! we will win! its inscribed in communism itself! how nice, no?
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Nikbee, I appreciate that you're probably not a political historian by trade (that's not a dig, I just mean most people aren't political historians), but which regime would you say has adhered most faithfully to the 'Communist hypothesis'?
I don't have a ready answer to this myself, I'm just interested in what other people might think on this.
I don't have a ready answer to this myself, I'm just interested in what other people might think on this.
im not, im rather 'uneducated'..
none were faithful (i dont mean this to be vague, its impossible, because the Communist Subject is himself in a constant negation, in perpetual movement. Therefore, the goal of the State is to facilitate such movement (creation, affirmation, etc.)).. there were Events that were faithful.. Badiou cites the Cultural Revolution (1965-1968, before it got fucked, i quoted some stuff in a past post). Mao was for facilitating a truly free Politics. A face-to-face. Unity-criticism-unity.
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-5/mswv5_58.htm
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swears
preppy-kei
Just chipping in here, but I remember one historian on TV saying that he thought the spirit of Marxism was most closely realised in 1970s Britain, regarding union power and socialist councils. "A dictatorship by the proletariat."
Interesting interpretation.
vimothy
yurp
Of course...
vimothy
yurp
...by people who represent the proletariat?
nomadthethird
more issues than Time mag
Roffle.
Yeah, Nikbee. Terrifying that some people don't think Badiou is Jesus Christ on Earth.
I've read Badiou, and been thoroughly unimpressed by most of what I have read. Because it's harmless enough (it's not going to get anything done, at all), I mostly ignore people who think he's you know the Prophet.
haha hahahha
This is the best "defense" of Badiou I've ever read....but no! you don't aren't hearing me repeat a No True Scotsman fallacy over, and over, and over...
Yeah, Nikbee. Terrifying that some people don't think Badiou is Jesus Christ on Earth.
I've read Badiou, and been thoroughly unimpressed by most of what I have read. Because it's harmless enough (it's not going to get anything done, at all), I mostly ignore people who think he's you know the Prophet.
haha hahahha
This is the best "defense" of Badiou I've ever read....but no! you don't aren't hearing me repeat a No True Scotsman fallacy over, and over, and over...
nomadthethird
more issues than Time mag
Roll on floor laughing some more.
Yes, an "egalitarian political maxim" obviously keeps a bunch of psychopaths who just spent years learning how to enjoy killing and relish power from becoming the very thing they hate the most.
Ever met a Vietnam vet, Nikbee? Just curious...
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vimothy
yurp
The subject speaks!
Assuming, "arguendo", that this is correct, I'd be interested to read an account of the actual political processes by which it occurs.
nomadthethird
more issues than Time mag
Yes, I know, that's called the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, and any "real" (hehe get it?) logician, philosopher, or mathematician would laugh you out of existence for appealing to it in argument.
vimothy
yurp
But who are you?