Whats it like on the outside looking in?
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People acting like they like dance music but they don't really.
Eh? Are we just posting garage producers we like?
Anyway, on the original subject, sounds like Straight just booked some rubbish DJs and where they are from is irrelevant. They just don't know their stuff, or else they just have wack taste (only going on his review of them, I haven't heard them.)
Slightly relevant story, a few months ago I played in south London to a crowd of nu-rave (ie into indie last month but at art school now) crowd. it was weird for me cos they were very young and all dressed the same, I am used to playing to traditional non-ironic ravers and non-ironic geeks.
anyway, something happened that never happened before which was that I played LFO by LFO and the dancefloor emptied.
the DJ after me played We Built This City On Rock & Roll by Starship and everyone went mental.
Which goes to show that for some crowds, there is no interest in dance music, just in being ironic/cool etc. maybe i'm overdoing the mortification but it was LFO for god's sake. i guess the event was on the level of a school disco really but presented as being super-hip. or maybe the more hip the people look, the closer they will be to appreciating school-disco sounds rather than actually loving music.
Nomadologist: "I have never been to a club where they play house music. Ever."
This is up there with Mr Tea's "I've never read xxx theorist but....."
:-/
Continuum-talk - means nothing to almost everybody in the world apart from a few people with blogs. I am a bit embarrassed to even mention it. But ask anybody who made a great garage or hardcore or house tune and they won't know what you're talking about. I see it as a big red herring.
Dominic's mates - anyone who claims to like techno who tells you that "Good Life" is not an awesome tune is a sucker. Trying to be cool or something. If you like any record with a 909 in it, "Good Life" is one of the top 10 club bangers.
French Ed Banger type music - i can't stand the overcompressed, distorted and clipped sound apart from anything else. Electroclash had distortion often too. Distortion is like the giveaway that someone making a dance record really wants to be in a rock band. I hate it.
Eh? Are we just posting garage producers we like?
Anyway, on the original subject, sounds like Straight just booked some rubbish DJs and where they are from is irrelevant. They just don't know their stuff, or else they just have wack taste (only going on his review of them, I haven't heard them.)
Slightly relevant story, a few months ago I played in south London to a crowd of nu-rave (ie into indie last month but at art school now) crowd. it was weird for me cos they were very young and all dressed the same, I am used to playing to traditional non-ironic ravers and non-ironic geeks.
anyway, something happened that never happened before which was that I played LFO by LFO and the dancefloor emptied.
the DJ after me played We Built This City On Rock & Roll by Starship and everyone went mental.
Which goes to show that for some crowds, there is no interest in dance music, just in being ironic/cool etc. maybe i'm overdoing the mortification but it was LFO for god's sake. i guess the event was on the level of a school disco really but presented as being super-hip. or maybe the more hip the people look, the closer they will be to appreciating school-disco sounds rather than actually loving music.
Nomadologist: "I have never been to a club where they play house music. Ever."
This is up there with Mr Tea's "I've never read xxx theorist but....."
:-/
Continuum-talk - means nothing to almost everybody in the world apart from a few people with blogs. I am a bit embarrassed to even mention it. But ask anybody who made a great garage or hardcore or house tune and they won't know what you're talking about. I see it as a big red herring.
Dominic's mates - anyone who claims to like techno who tells you that "Good Life" is not an awesome tune is a sucker. Trying to be cool or something. If you like any record with a 909 in it, "Good Life" is one of the top 10 club bangers.
French Ed Banger type music - i can't stand the overcompressed, distorted and clipped sound apart from anything else. Electroclash had distortion often too. Distortion is like the giveaway that someone making a dance record really wants to be in a rock band. I hate it.
matt b
Indexing all opinion
it's all about surface innit
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Interesting idea on the distortion/pseudo-rock-band thing. I think in can be used to good effect, but now that you mention, you do hear it an *awful* lot at the moment - especially in that very commercial electro-house sound that I've heard on, well, adverts for Ministry Of Sound compilations...
swears
preppy-kei
not at all! that kinda shit happens often - especially the part with "We Built this City". sad but true.
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
He had to go and spoil it 
Much as I agree with everything you just said there Edward (I think I already did) I hope you're not betraying a similar divisive prejudice towards rock that some rockers might have against 'disco'?. I don't think you are, maybe just being a bit glib. And I do know what you're getting at re: Electroclash and so on. It has a different imperative - not so much about getting down and losing your shit as about being a twat and preening or something.
Much as I agree with everything you just said there Edward (I think I already did
) I hope you're not betraying a similar divisive prejudice towards rock that some rockers might have against 'disco'?. I don't think you are, maybe just being a bit glib. And I do know what you're getting at re: Electroclash and so on. It has a different imperative - not so much about getting down and losing your shit as about being a twat and preening or something.Do we need to make a list of great dance records with distortion?
swears
preppy-kei
"Waters of Nazareth" is actually quite a clever record, you can tell they spent ages fiddling around with all the cut-ups and layers of distortion, reminds me a bit of industrial stuff like Front 242. I don't really care if "hipsters" are into it. But if I had to hear only records like that all night, I'd be pissed off.
Its not NASTY enough tho, there's not enough distortion... these records still sound a bit flimsy to me, they never really go anywhere near the edge enough...
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
I think I'd fucking hate this stuff. I'm not that familiar with it though because I started avoiding the kind of clubs that would play it years ago thank goodness. Learned my lesson. *shudders*
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
swears
preppy-kei
I know what you mean, it has a goofy, parodic feel, making fun of RAWKing out while celebrating it, so you don't get the seriousness that's required for "proper" heaviness.
House music's "Licensed to Ill", then. And that's alright by me.
well put. why i've always stayed away from this kind of "genre blending" hipster party music. just so sick of irony.
goes without saying. but we all know what i'm on about don't we?
the ubiguitous attitude of taking nothing seriously, and everything is just a joke. see my new signature.
Awesome and quite right. If you're going to play the piano like Les Dawson, first you've got to ba able to play it like Glen Gould, otherwise it ain't funny.
For those who don't know the genius of Les, here he is singing:
Can't find a piano clip
Only in as far as I don't like much of it. The stuff I like, I am happy to like.
What I object to is people who would've said "it's not real music" a couple of years ago suddenly and ironically jumping on the dance music bandwagon. What if Jeff Mills (or maybe someone like Guru Josh) suddenly came out with a 4th rate rock album but with great hair, and it got played in all the rock clubs to the extent that you could really struggle to hear or read about any decent rock music anywhere?
sorta thing.
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noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
There is a ton of useless rock music around. Also some very good underground stuff - just like 'dance' I spose. I just ignore the poop if I can.
Kick 'em in the goolies I say.
This scenario would be way too hilarious to hate on if it did happen.
You don't hear any decent rock music on the radio anyway really, but I don't care - I find what I like.
Slothrop
Tight but Polite
I've always wondered how much 'ironic appreciation' is people who want to appreciate something authentically but are afraid that they'd get the piss ripped out of them - how much it's a way of getting the sounds without having to risk making fool of yourself trying to buy into the culture as well.
Rather than being a thing of listening to music you genuinely don't enjoy but pretending that you do in order to appear ironic.
