rhythm basics thread

[thirdform]

Once again you're dealing in your own absolutes which are simply wrong. 90s may be the high watermark but until now there is still good shit getting made, which is more than can be said for most genres which peaked in the 90s.

sure, but there's good drum and bass still being made as well. it's just people don't know where to look for it. doesn't mean drum and bass has endured or whatever, you have to seriously sift the wheat from the chaf.

all very strange this argument and I'm tired of it. of course now everyone's going to say haha third don't chat nonsense there possibly can't be any good new dnb and i get where they are coming from, but you seem to think the new house you're into isn't an initiates sound, except it is. same with new dnb. it's a sound for the heads made by the heads. that's different to late 80s/early - mid 90s.

 

[catalog]

samurai who someone who told me about on here are pretty good new dnb, and there's all vhf 88 or whatever they are called, those bristol ones, but i went to see em and they were pretty shit live.

 

[thirdform]

samurai who someone who told me about on here are pretty good new dnb, and there's all vhf 88 or whatever they are called, those bristol ones, but i went to see em and they were pretty shit live.

yeah i mean I'm just interested in rhythmic technoid musics from all sides of the spectrum at all tempos so I'm not shackled by that expectation anymore. I wouldn't go to a modern dnb night though, no. even a modern techno night would have to be weird round the edges, maybe have electro or jungle or abstract 'idm' in the side room for me to be interested. 8 hours of four to the floor? I'm not knocking it, but been there, done that.

UVB76 those guys are. occasional moments of sheer brilliance but yeah like more than 1 hour of it could grate. but this is one of my favourite records of last year

tbf it's all about manchester rn


carcus of techstep, sounding more like a test dept record, brilliant.

this one great as well, just huge gongs echoing into the wilderness


It's def a quetstion of discipline though, you can go down a rabithole of this stuff and be bored to tears.

 

[thirdform]

love some of the late 00s stuff in this veign as well. proper beat science next level


futuroid acid.

 

[pattycakes_]

Dnb is over, dude. Long gone. Relegated. House just keeps on rolling at a steady pace.

 

[catalog]

nah that's not true at all. when dnb first came back i was completely flabbergasted, but some of it, even the new stuff, is perfect.

dnb is perfect sound forever.

house is too really.

 

[WashYourHands]

and washyourhands, listen to more 93 dark jungle please.

I did at the time, or rather it was imposed on me by flat mates & younger brothers. It’s a difference in tastes, nothing more, nothing less, but as member P states

Once again you're dealing in your own absolutes which are simply wrong. 90s may be the high watermark but until now there is still good shit getting made, which is more than can be said for most genres which peaked in the 90s.

There”s a lot of truth here. To dismiss productions outside a certain timeframe, a slightly arbitrary one at that if you see it as an absolute arc like the Greeks with archaic, classical & Hellenistic periods, doesn’t help. Because so much house IS shite, you really have to dig to find the nuggets. Again, not a real heads vs non-believers blanket statement, more what Patty contests - it’s out there, you just have to put the time in hunting. House isn’t trying to con anyone like Scientology & it isn’t the Jehovah’s Witnesses of music looking to fuck with your blood transfusions either.

Roll with what’s good for your own ears. Be a boring world if we all liked the same thing.

 

[thirdform]

Dnb is over, dude. Long gone. Relegated. House just keeps on rolling at a steady pace.

a steadily boring industrial complex pace?

 

[thirdform]

There”s a lot of truth here. To dismiss productions outside a certain timeframe, a slightly arbitrary one at that if you see it as an absolute arc like the Greeks with archaic, classical & Hellenistic periods, doesn’t help. Because so much house IS shite, you really have to dig to find the nuggets. Again, not a real heads vs non-believers blanket statement, more what Patty contests - it’s out there, you just have to put the time in hunting. House isn’t trying to con anyone like Scientology & it isn’t the Jehovah’s Witnesses of music looking to fuck with your blood transfusions either.

Roll with what’s good for your own ears. Be a boring world if we all liked the same thing.

ah, but at one point it did fuck with your blood transfusions. it was literally the best music on the planet, better than even Mayday et al.

you might be able to make that argument with barty or Luke, but not me.






and i did keep up with housey stuff until the mid 2010s, and moved on. is there a mistake in that?


less of the condescension from both of you, please. noone's dissing house music and its contribution here.

 

[WashYourHands]

Steady works. No rush. Elderly participants on zimmer-frames, swap drugs for home made soups in thermos flasks gathered around the single speaker because of tinnitus & arthritis. Like my Gran & all the girls at Mecca bingo, shuffling along, harming no-one, swapping sleeping pills

 

[thirdform]

Steady works. No rush. Elderly participants on zimmer-frames, swap drugs for home made soups in thermos flasks gathered around the single speaker because of tinnitus & arthritis. Like my Gran & all the girls at Mecca bingo, shuffling along, harming no-one, swapping sleeping pills

ha. fair play. but to dismiss dnb as all gone and house as still relevant is a bit ott to me. in places like eastern Europe dnb is far bigger than house could ever be. is most of that dnb music good? well no. but I would wager that there are more dnb fans worldwide than (serious) house fans. if we're including eurodance and EDM and prog, then of course that skews it in house's favour.

 

[WashYourHands]

less of the condescension from both of you, please. noone's dissing house music and its contribution here.

No condescension meant or intended. Equally, it’s like saying I need more dark jungle from 1993. It assumes someone didn’t have those encounters at the time.mIf you get back to my previous post before this one gets done, just playing catch up.

Btw, from those tracks listed, a Glenn Underground (add Boo Williams & all this Chi-town cats) thread would be no bad thing.

 

[thirdform]

No condescension meant or intended. Equally, it’s like saying I need more dark jungle from 1993. It assumes someone didn’t have those encounters at the time.mIf you get back to my previous post before this one gets done, just playing catch up.

Btw, from those tracks listed, a Glenn Underground (add Boo Williams & all this Chi-town cats) thread would be no bad thing.

yeah fair, apologies.

 

[WashYourHands]

ha. fair play. but to dismiss dnb as all gone and house as still relevant is a bit ott.

dnb just isn’t my personal groove & of the few mates still alive, I’m the only one who’ll bum shuffle awkwardly in his seat when the reprobates get right into it, which they do frequently. Triggers memories of being woken up by folks hammering Ed Tush 12”s when trying to get my head down, sounds of generators chugging incessantly outdoors, warm cider & shattered minds. That’s no reliable gauge of extrapolating meaning from sound, but just completed a 12 hr shift!

I served the cause lugging rigs around long enough to retire peacefully & entitled (jokes).

 

[WashYourHands]

yeah fair, apologies.

None needed squire. It’s sunny, warm & the nights are drawing out, finally.

 

[thirdform]

some prime dark jungle for patty. tense bebop riddims.

 

[thirdform]

but yeah the fundamentalist jungle stuff still trucks on like house.

 

[catalog]

Good time, like a mental breakdown and then her voice comes in and saves you

 

[luka]

So what is this thread about exactly? I've lost the thread

 

[thirdform]

So what is this thread about exactly? I've lost the thread

we were supposed to talk about the rhythmic panache of house but then it got into an ill advised back and forth when i said that most mainstream house is not as rhythmically sophisticated as the early and second wave Chi Town stuff. somehow patty took that as me making an assumption, even though he ended up agreeing with me. so weird.