I think resorting to hypotheticals or theoretical conflation with rightism is avoiding the issueMaybe they did, but they don't just die the moment they're cancelled. What happens to their families, dependents etc if they have them? Should they be forced onto welfare?
It's a hypothetical. And yeah, they are, but I dunno whether that's a great argument for forcing more people onto it.
it isn'tyeah but that's pre-internet thinkng
good point, the mediaplex is so dominant that by toppling the celebrity neerdowells we can affect every level of society with examples of righteous conductYou think that questioning the entire economic system that forces people into poverty is better than focussing on showbiz media spats? Sweet! I’d be well up for that.
yes yes it's bad to lose your job, i lost mine through union activism, none of that is relevant?Someone who loses their job has five or six options, and if they've lost it due to a cancellation then the best option's already been hampered somewhat. They can:
1) apply for another job and hope someone's willing to take on the additional risk in hiring them
2) go on welfare/benefits
3) live off someone else
4) live on the streets
5) turn to crime
6) kill themselves
I guess you could also throw in joining the military, but most people won't pass the medical and fitness tests.
There's a difference between online and in person behavior. My experience has been that most in person lefty groups are left completely impotent by behavior in the genreal spirit of cancel culture. Im also younger than many here I think, but again, the young left is still valid.It’s not like anyone on the left spends hours producing texts, lectures, videos, books, blogs, has every day discussions etc. No we never want to talk to people or persuade them.
In the abstract i think we all agree that it's a shame to lose your job, but i think we're trying to analyse about whether cancellation produces injusticeHow is losing your job not relevant to a discussion of getting people fired?
Half of this argument is just semantics on the difference between 'accountability' and 'cancel culture.' The latter being used by some as a pejorative form of the former.it's not about manipulation, it's about transparency
I'm not saying these people aren't arseholes. I'm saying what happens once they've been cancelled/fired? Are they allowed to work again or do we build some social leper colony for people who say racist things on social media?
depends if they are in jail or not, depends if they are a horrible racist who got their job unjustly, depends if they repent , genuinely about something that genuinely they did wrongI'm not saying these people aren't arseholes. I'm saying what happens once they've been cancelled/fired? Are they allowed to work again or do we build some social leper colony for people who say racist things on social media?
Accountability is exactly what this is about. Thank youHalf of this argument is just semantics on the difference between 'accountability' and 'cancel culture.' The latter being used by some as a pejorative form of the former.
Yeah.Depends what they have done and how contrite and reflective they are. Not sure I’d want an unrepentant nonce or neo-Nazi working with me.