George Floyd

[vimothy]

it relates to ppl finding themselves adopting conservative positions, or feeling alienated from the left, I think

 

[luka]

Yeah but I'm saying that's a mistake.

 

[luka]

If you used to government handouts and killing the rich then you should still like those things. You can't start wearing a tweed blazer and a bow tie just cos of some hysterical students

 

[sus]

What do you want me to do

Vote for Joe Biden? Go chant "Black lives matter" to a wall of stonefaced police officers?

I'm an advocate of Rawls's invisible veil. that alone should be enough for any prog-head doubting my ideological bent. But what're you gonna do in a world such as ours?

 

[sus]

You don't want to hear my real opinions about these things

If you start getting into utilitarianism and Peter Singer, shit gets weird

 

[luka]

It's like going oh I've become a racist cos the anti racists were doing my head in with all their whinging. You've either got principles or you don't.

 

[luka]

What do you want me to do

Vote for Joe Biden? Go chant "Black lives matter" to a wall of uncaring police officers?

I don't want you to do anything. I don't do anything. I don't even vote. But I consider myself 'on the left.'

 

[sus]

I'm definitely not racist and not interested in racism nor racists. The problem is thinking that all conservatives are racist, and only good lefties are opposed

 

[sus]

The libertarians I know are far, far less racist than most of the cultural lefties I know

Indeed, one theory I have is that all this anti-racism stuff is a projection, like these people have fucked up thoughts and opinions about minorities and internally chastise themselves and then it comes out as yelling at other people

 

[vimothy]

it might be more likely that someone's going to decide that *about* you rather than you decide it for yourself

 

[sus]

what I want is a synthesis of libertarianism, Singer-style expanding circle, and Rawls style invisible veil.

end the animal genocide now!! it's the biggest tragedy of the 21st century

 

[vimothy]

one theory I have is that all this anti-racism stuff is a projection, like these people have fucked up thoughts and opinions about minorities and internally chastise themselves and then it comes out as yelling at other people

def seems like there's a religious element to american anti-racism

 

[luka]

I'm a strict vegetarian don't look at me

 

[luka]

def seems like there's a religious element to american anti-racism

There is a embryonic religion taking shape but it's not centred around anti racism.

 

[sus]

John McWhorter was my linguistics prof for a semester, teaches creole languages, and his point was always that anti-racism is the great Protestant Revival, a third awakening on the continent

 

[vimothy]

US anti-racism certainly seems to express a kind of overt religious enthusiasm

 

[vimothy]

 

[sus]

and let's not forget that consultants are cashing in for millions of dollars on corporate anti-bias training programs to fight phenomena that have repeatedly failed replication in peer review

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

The libertarians I know are far, far less racist than most of the cultural lefties I know

you can't really come on the one hand and say but statistics, manipulation, false picture of reality

then come on the other anecdotally with actual leftists are the ones who are racist (not an original line btw)

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

of course American anti-racism has a religious fervor to it. how could it not?

racism is America's original sin