Resistance is Futile.

[luka]

i just invented the wheel! in 2020!

 

[entertainment]

I like that as well and think that we have to make it a point to avoid assimilating the prevailing specialized jargon of the disciplins we touch upon.

Focus on the power of the unfiltered instinctive thoughts and spontaneous reactions. That's where i'd like this place to function.

 

[luka]

total furious contempt for the delibidinising figure of the teacher who wants to steal your sense of power and delight in thinking a thought by talking about some boring dead person who said the same thing in the 18th century

 

[constant escape]

Is it possible for the center of gravity of this place to remain in the untainted freedom/wonder, all while digesting the technical/institutional discourse? (without becoming bloated and soulless?)

Or would some prefer not touch the institution, and its professionalization of thought, with a ten foot pole?

 

[pattycakes_]

I'm not anti intellectual though, luka. I just don't get much of a kick from analysing shit like whether my pathos is authentic.

 

[pattycakes_]

Is it possible for the center of gravity of this place to remain in the untainted freedom/wonder, all while digesting the technical/institutional discourse? (without becoming bloated and soulless?)

Or would some prefer not touch the institution, and its professionalization of thought, with a ten foot pole?

Gotta be a balance. And these two are being facetious right now.

 

[luka]

we're certainly not being faceitious

 

[pattycakes_]

Mhmm

 

[luka]

Is it possible for the center of gravity of this place to remain in the untainted freedom/wonder, all while digesting the technical/institutional discourse? (without becoming bloated and soulless?)

Or would some prefer not touch the institution, and its professionalization of thought, with a ten foot pole?

for me, i would rather stay away from it. i do read a bit but i only understand what has been written if it's something ive already thought. otherwise it might as well be a foreign language

 

[constant escape]

Gotta be a balance. And these two are being facetious right now.

That did go right over my head, but I think it is a perfectly sound concern. Whether or not Luka believes in the "delibidinizing" effect some institutional environments have, I can certainly attest to it. It can turn you off.

 

[luka]

im 100% not being faceitious. this is a core article of my faith.

 

[luka]

my bed time though. thanks for good discussion. night.

 

[pattycakes_]

im 100% not being faceitious. this is a core article of my faith.

Apologies for missreading then.

 

[constant escape]

i do read a bit but i only understand what has been written if it's something ive already thought. otherwise it might as well be a foreign language

I make this argument as well - if it doesn't connect to some intuitive understanding, some grok-mass, it doesn't seem to stick as well, and doesn't prove to be as navigable. A bit like accepting foreign antibodies, maybe - you can deploy such knowledge/learnings, and they can prove useful, but if you cannot retrace their engineering, then it's harder to advance them any further.

I love that you just made that point. This seems to be central to any unoptimized function of the academy (from what I gather). The discourse is presented in something of a procedural way, all too ready to take the next step, without securing the footing, without connecting the discourse to the core of what is important to the reader/pupil, whatever is worth orienting your beliefs around.

 

[pattycakes_]

From page one of this thread :

The social justice movements going on right now are inspiring, and it's great to see regular people coming together and taking action. But, it's fuelled by so much anger. And not that that's always a bad thing. But it's dangerous because it's so easily used against itself. It's righteous anger, yes. But as any professional fighter will tell you, don't go into the ring angry. And what about when that anger dies down? Let's get back to normal? Or what if it's perpetually stoked by the unravelling of society?

This quote from Miller in The Colossus of Maroussi nails it:

I hear people talking about peace and their faces are clouded with anger or with hatred or with scorn and disdain, with pride and arrogance. There are people who want to fight to bring about peace—the most deluded souls of all. There will be no peace until murder is eliminated from the heart and mind. Murder is the apex of the broad pyramid whose base is the self. That which stands will have to fall. Everything which man has fought for will have to be relinquished before he can begin to live as man. Up till now he has been a sick beast and even his divinity stinks. He is master of many worlds and in his own he is a slave. What rules the world is the heart, not the brain. In every realm our conquests bring only death. We have turned our backs on the one realm wherein freedom lies. At Epidaurus, in the stillness, in the great peace that came over me, I heard the heart of the world beat I know what the cure is: it is to give up, to relinquish, to surrender, so that our little hearts may beat in unison with the great heart of the world.

Just wanted an excuse to post that, tbh.

 

[shiels]

Is it possible for the center of gravity of this place to remain in the untainted freedom/wonder, all while digesting the technical/institutional discourse? (without becoming bloated and soulless?)

A mix of both makes for the best discussions over time. That’s why I’m glad you turned up

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

this is a core article of my faith

that's certainly true. luka is sincere about this stuff.

where it seems facetious is that his ideal version of dissensus doesn't equal dissensus, and he likes to pretend it does

also true that the PhDs/grad students etc - professional "intellectuals" - have gone, leaving only autodidacticism. for better and worse.

"anti-intellectualism" is romanticized nonsense, even leaving aside its dangerous connotations in the current global political-cultural climate

which isn't to say that conscious naivete is a useless approach, far from it. it can elicit surprisingly penetrating insights.

but untempered by all the boring reality some people (me, droid, etc) insist on, it spirals into "everything is everything" all noise no signal uselessness

at its best - i.e. Dematerialisation - dissensus is oppositional, those tendencies pushing against each other to synthesis of a greater than its parts whole

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

there's a lot of (yes) inside baseball in there but I'll note that we all get along quite (surprisingly, even) well in f2f real life

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

I'm also back to work next week (barring the real possibility 2nd-wave re-lockdown) so won't be around as much

and I'll admit the more dire reality is the less tolerance I have for naivety, conspiracy thinking fascination, etc

 

[luka]

Me and Padraig are worshippers of rival gods. but friends in real life. This is true. He keeps trying to raise the golden calf of idolatry and I have to keep pulling it down.