'structural'

[luka]

Youve missed my point Oliver

 

[luka]

Pound changes a lot of names in the cantos because 'the names aren't important'.

 

[version]

Does this stuff need to be named and quantified to be tackled? Obviously you need some idea of what you're doing, but is it necessary to get bogged down trying to map the whole thing?

 

[luka]

Pound being an interesting case of someone setting out to understand how it happens, and ending up an anti-Semite

 

[craner]

Ok, ask the question again and I will try again.

 

[luka]

Ok, ask the question again and I will try again.

how does it happen?

 

[craner]

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Does this stuff need to be named and quantified to be tackled? Obviously you need some idea of what you're doing, but is it necessary to get bogged down trying to map the whole thing?

I find it helpful. It is all about the interaction and relationship between ideas and actions. Also, I find complexity and plurality compelling.

 

[shiels]

Youve missed my point Oliver

tbh I don’t think anyone knows what the threads about now

 

[craner]

how does it happen?

How does what happen?

 

[luka]

I find complexity and plurality compelling.

This sounds like something you'd write on a job application

 

[version]

I find it helpful. It is all about the interaction and relationship between ideas and actions. Also, I find complexity and plurality compelling.

I'm talking in terms of the people who want to bring it all down though.

 

[luka]

tbh I don’t think anyone knows what the threads about now

It's about how it happens.

 

[craner]

I find complexity and plurality compelling.

This sounds like something you'd write on a job application!

It's a bit ILM, isn't it?

 

[craner]

Let me go back to the first page and see if I can work out what the question is.

 

[shiels]

Power ... to put it so broad as to be meaningless. But you need to ask a few clear questions again

 

[craner]

Ideas being just PR for brutal acquisition and conquest

Is this the key?

 

[luka]

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Is this the key?

I don't want to say yes, but it's clearly a factor.

 

[craner]

You are reducing all basic human actions to acquisition and conquest, and then asking me to prove or disprove that ideas are only adopted by the people in control to disguise this?

 

[luka]

I want to posit ideas as actors and agents in their own right but agents who are often co-opted by larger interests and made to serve and are corrupted in the process

 

[luka]

You are reducing all basic human actions to acquisition and conquest, and then asking me to prove or disprove that ideas are only adopted by the people in control to disguise this?

No. I don't have a position. I'm trying to feel out the positions other people have come to and see if I like them enough to adopt them.