Corruption, 'Deep Politics', etc.

[Mr. Tea]

i think that events may well have causes.

Mainly Jewish ones.

 

[craner]

Yes, I think in your irritation you've made a big leap here. I have never said that events don't have causes.

 

[luka]

I skipped through the comments after about the first page of this bilge.

well read it then or you cant really have an opinion.

 

[luka]

Yes, I think in your irritation you've made a big leap here. I have never said that events don't have causes.

you literally did. i quote 'events have no causes'. you refuse to entertain the idea of an event having a cause.

 

[craner]

Your 'thought experiment' is that all of the events in the world are controlled by, um, a controller, and that's what I was responding to.

 

[craner]

you literally did. i quote 'events have no causes'. you refuse to entertain the idea of an event having a cause.

Have you got dementia?

 

[luka]

Your 'though experiment' is that all of the events in the world are controlled by, um, a controller, and that's what I was responding to.

thats not really the case is it. this is why i gave the example of neoliberalism. now fair enough you take the marxist understanding of neoliberalism to be conspiratorial and anti-semitic, youre consistent but...

 

[luka]

other people look at trends and see patterns, and ask, who is this for and what is making it happen. and that is not, in and of itself, mad.

 

[craner]

thats not really the case is it. this is why i gave the example of neoliberalism. now fair enough you take the marxist understanding of neoliberalism to be conspiratorial and anti-semitic, youre consistent but...

Are you on drugs?

 

[luka]

Are you on drugs?

certainly not. you are on record saying that exact same thing

 

[luka]

'structural'

In that sense it's a completely meaningless abstraction that stands in for comprehension. all words are this. Systemic, systematic, institutional... you chucking these in too? maybe you're having a different debate but i think the overuse of the word signals a net good. to nudge away from a...

www.dissensus.com

 

[luka]

'It's a fictional narrative assembled out of carefully selected data.'

now this is precisely what i am interested in.

 

[craner]

'structural'

In that sense it's a completely meaningless abstraction that stands in for comprehension. all words are this. Systemic, systematic, institutional... you chucking these in too? maybe you're having a different debate but i think the overuse of the word signals a net good. to nudge away from a...

www.dissensus.com

That's true, the 'The History of Neoliberalism' is a conspiratorial pamphlet.

 

[craner]

'It's a fictional narrative assembled out of carefully selected data.'

now this is precisely what i am interested in.

That makes some sense.

But the flaw always seems to be the desire to locate the great data controllers who are creating one narrative for the entire world.

 

[luka]

That's true, the 'The History of Neoliberalism' is a conspiratorial pamphlet.

marixsm as a whole is innately conspiratorial. that is the value of marxism. that is what is good about it.

 

[luka]

That makes some sense.

But the flaw always seems to be the desire to locate the great data controllers who are creating one narrative for the entire world.

if you get stuck on the idea of one single group who run the world, then yes. but if you are so scared of the idea that you dismiss any suggestion that there might be organised agendas pushed by powerful groups, i think this is also a problem

 

[luka]

groupname for grapejuice was under heavy juju for years (as he tells it) menaced by the idea of just that, the illuminati controling all things.
now he preaches spaghetti theory

 

[version]

marixsm as a whole is innately conspiratorial. that is the value of marxism. that is what is good about it.

A "hermeneutic of suspicion,".

 

[luka]

Retangling the Spaghetti Theory of Conspiracy 1

In 1987, Robert Anton Wilson wrote "The Spaghetti Theory of Conspiracy" as an introduction to a work of fiction on alien conspiracies....

groupnameforgrapejuice.blogspot.com

 

[craner]

I am allergic to these kind of conspiracy theories because it is myth-making for defined ends. The ends are dangerous. It is all ultimately linked to sectarian, exclusionary, apocalyptic or Utopian thinking, and the end point is mass murder.

This has nothing to do with you Luke, because for you it is a strategy of the imagination, but irrationalism, nationalism and apocalyptic thinking is on the rise again, this kind of stuff is affecting mainstream perceptions, and feeding off and creating a lot of fears and desires. To me, it's not good.