George Floyd
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constant escape
winter withered, warm
I surely feel this, but its also easy for me to fall in line with most of it, because of how/where I was raised, family of artists, southern california.
I don't feel the pressure as most do because for the last year and a half I've been pretty hermetic, socially. I ditched the smart phone two years ago, and that pretty much amounted to chopping a limb off. That, plus not using social media, largely spares me from the kind of pressure your friend is talking about - but I wouldn't say he is overreacting. I've felt it from both sides: positive, as a genuine burning drive to reconcile with the oppressed, and purge myself of colonial/oppressive values; and negative, as an intoxicating and blinding kind of hysteria that keeps you under the heels of fear. Either way, its powerful. I try to preserve both sides, so I can tap into them as need be.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Can the peer be a proxy for the big other? I might argue that is how it works. Or maybe that is what big other already means.
sus
Moderator
@constant escape what part of the country you livin in? rural or urban?
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
This is a strange statement. Sitcoms made within the last two decades are being cancelled because of racist content (or content perceived to be racist).
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Of course not. You made it.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Suburban
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I'm not super concerned with what they think, compared to people who live in communities that bear the brunt of police brutality
which, barring deliberate choice or the possible odd exception, bright graduates of very good universities do not
"Black Lives Matter" may come out of Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and Eric Garner, but this struggle has been going on for much, much longer
Isaac Woodard, Rodney King, Abner Louima, Rekia Boyd, Freddie Grey, Philando Castile, all the names stretching back
the educated classes chattering on social media are welcome support as far as it goes but they don't own or define it
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I never said that, nor is that how I would put it
what I might say is that activism is like everything else in life - you choose the compromises you can live with in pursuit of your goals
as far as the social cost, well - choose the compromises you can live with
if you want to choose your livelihood (or whatever) over speaking your mind, do so and live with the decision
I won't judge you, I ain't walked in your shoes
but people are out here losing their lives and loved ones not only to death but to imprisonment, trauma, fear. social costs concern me less.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
"pushing a false picture of reality" seems like a pretty naive line from a person versed in all kinds of high-minded philosophy etc
who does not push their own view of reality, shape it to their narrative? who is this person or entity with unvarnished view of truth?
history being not what happened, but a set of neverending arguments about what happened
that's especially true for any race discourse which, as I did say, it's virtually impossible to make entirely rational in America
which is not to say I cosign everything your acquaintances say on Twitter or whatever
have you ever been involved with decentralized activism? this is how it is. you can't control what everyone says. that's the point.
who does not push their own view of reality, shape it to their narrative? who is this person or entity with unvarnished view of truth?
history being not what happened, but a set of neverending arguments about what happened
that's especially true for any race discourse which, as I did say, it's virtually impossible to make entirely rational in America
which is not to say I cosign everything your acquaintances say on Twitter or whatever
have you ever been involved with decentralized activism? this is how it is. you can't control what everyone says. that's the point.
Leo
Well-known member
not sure that racism and reactionary sentiment is generally far more acceptable here. it's not that it's any more or less acceptable, it's just that social media has enabled people with those sentiments to now broadcast them to the world. prevalence of message and level of acceptance of message are two different things.
maybe it's just that formerly closeted racists are now emboldened to use the facebook megaphone, as opposed to the message of racism being more accepted.
I'm probably not being clear, just speculating that maybe there are roughly the same number of racists now as before, but more of them are speaking out. that doesn't mean what they say is being more widely accepted by America society at large.
maybe it's just that formerly closeted racists are now emboldened to use the facebook megaphone, as opposed to the message of racism being more accepted.
I'm probably not being clear, just speculating that maybe there are roughly the same number of racists now as before, but more of them are speaking out. that doesn't mean what they say is being more widely accepted by America society at large.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
that is certainly true
but even beyond that, racism and reactionary sentiments are more publicly acceptable now than at any time I can remember
however, at the same time they're also less publicly acceptable than at any time I can remember
which seems confusing but really isn't, it's just context-dependent
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
he's a harbinger of the worst case of our coming dsytopian future as UBI proles ruled by transhuman immortal tech bro philosopher-kings
he is, even aside from the libertarian tech bro angle, a literal monarchist
good luck with that
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
when the revolution began to eat itself they were the first to be sent to the guillotine themselves, usually by each other
which is why you need some kind of post-revolutionary plan beyond "kill the king [or whatever equivalent]"